Talk:Samuel Vimes

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Is this still a stub? - [[User:Stlemur|Stlemur]] 05:18, 22 December 2005 (CET)

: As long as it's ''Article of the Week'' it is. Hopefully, after that, not anymore. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 16:30, 22 December 2005 (CET)

An odd coincidence: It occurred to me that Sam's elevation to a Dukedom must have come as a result of TP's appointment as OBE. No, that was the year after {{J}} was published, so the two anti-monarchists got titles almost at the same time, but independently. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 18:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Has it occurred to anyone else that Sam's title of "Duke" makes him the second highest "noble" of Ankh-Morpork? Assuming that "Patrician" is the highest rank - unless Cpt. Carrot ever exercises his right to the throne and that the Peerage of Ankh-Morpork follows the English tradition. That's ''got'' to stick in Lord Rust's throat..... --[[User:Megahurts|Megahurts]] 11:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

A very good reason for Vetinari to make him up to Duke, in that case! --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 12:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== A thought occuring on Dukes and Earls ==
NobbyNobbs very nearly - and legitimately?- became Earl of Ankh, so that the plotters might try to elevate him to a puppet King and usurp Vetinari. Now what if Vetinari decided that this danger could best be blocked in the future by having the right person become Duke of Ankh instead of an Earl? --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 15:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Also... if Vimes' knighthood and Terry's OBE coincided, what are to make of Terry's current elevation to a "Sir". If advancement of one precurs advancement of the other, where next for Sam? --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought he was ''the'' highest rank, socially, the Patrician being a mere politician (and ignoring the once and future King.) He is also the wealthiest citizen. Nearly '''everything''' sticks in Lord Ronnie's throat, but no one seems to care, since {{J}}. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 12:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

He also seems to have some parallels with Sir Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington; Vimes was created a Duke after the events of Jingo, whereas Wellington received his after defeating Napoleon in the Battle of Vitoria. The Duke of Wellington is the most senior member of the peerage, as it appears is Vimes. Wellington's nickname was the Iron Duke, whereas "Stoneface" Vimes could become the Stone Duke. Wellington however appears to have embraced new technology (shrapnel shells and rockets) and we all know how Sam feels about gadgets. Interestingly Wellington went on to be Prime Minister. --[[User:Megahurts|Megahurts]] 14:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Another referent for "Stoneface" could be the American Civil War general "Stonewall" Jackson, whose nickname was conferred for two reasons: personally, his expression was notoriously inscrutable, and could close down to the point where he "presented the aspect of a stone wall" and didn't betray what he was really thinking. (He was perhaps good at poker). Secondly, his armies never broke, regardless of what was thrown at them - he was a doggedly stoic defensive general at just the time the Confederacy needed one (the Union armies were threatening Richmond, the Confederacy's capital). His troops were the "stone wall" against which the enemy broke.

Sam Vimes' comment at the end of "Jingo", after duping Ronnie Rust into burning his fingers - "The trick is to pretend that it doesn't hurt" - might originally have been attributed to Jackson.
(Ag Prov, despite the numbers)

:"Old Stoneface" has been applied to any number of people, but I can't find any reference to Oliver Cromwell being called that. He was known as "Old Ironsides", apparently. Jackson sounds more like a Rust than a Vimes, alternately reckless and dithering. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Cameo ==

Anyone else think that his appearance in {{MR}} is really a cameo? He's definitely not a central character. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 01:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'd say more of a guest star; it's a fairly important part, ''Fifth Business'' plotting and manipulating behind the action. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Editing ==

This article has accumulated several repetitions (e.g. angry man, assassins) and grammatical glitches. It could stand a moderate kicking.

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